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how do you plan to adjust the fit please?
That's an interesting one!

I had adjusted the fit on the multiwall piece by putting some helicopter tape along one edge to make it a bit thicker. Interestingly today it wouldn't go into the slot - it was a bit tight when I first did it. I had to put the other side in which I hadn't yet sorted out fit wise to take the picture.

Today was about 2 or 3 Celcius where our van is parked, so I'm assuming the alloy of the slot in the Cali has shrunk a bit in the cold while the plastic of the table won't be affected in the same way, i.e. it doesn't expand and shrink as much as aluminium - so the multiwall on the side where I had adjusted it wouldn't fit as it hadn't shrunk as much. It was much warmer when I first tried it out a couple of weeks back.

Obviously an aluminium table would shrink, although the relative shrinkage between the slot and the table may not be the same.

So the conclusion to all that is that probably an aluminium table should be OK in various temperatures but perspex tables may need to have different adjustments to the fit to work from a few degrees up to really hot days in the summer.

One simple way of making it variable would be to have a few strips of say A4 paper or card in the van, then you could select the right number of strips to get the adjustment you need depending on the temperature. Or use helicopter tape on one side and something else on the other. So have a cold side and a hot side fit wise.

Endless possibilities to keep us off the streets... :)

And I'm sure someone will be along to explain the various coefficients of expansion and contraction for aluminium versus perspex. I'm just guessing that the reason my adjustment didn't work was down to the temperature as above.
 
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very interesting.

Theoretically the cold will make the air in the multiwall piece contract a bit making it slightly thinner....

@Theaps @D heaps --- do you get this issue with your aluminium table? & is it reasonably flat or does it droop a bit? original photos look like it's quite flat....
 
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Theoretically the cold will make the air in the multiwall piece contract a bit making it slightly thinne
The multiwall isn't sealed, so it's not airtight. Any contraction would just be the perspex walls.
 
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Wow - thats such a simple easy solution - i like the coloured perspex option even though a bit more expensive. There is a plastics firm in Gloucester who can put a small lip on the edge to lock it in ? - The Campingaz cassette style stoves are cheap and lightweight - so might have cracked it
 
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The Campingaz cassette style stoves are cheap and lightweight - so might have cracked it
I'd check first that you won't melt it!! Not sure how much heat is thrown downwards from those casssette style stoves. You can look up the melting point of persex but it goes all floppy/pliant first, so you may find you have a droopy shelf and everything slides off onto the floor of the van.

Like the idea of a small lip but that would be a looser fit than 6mm. I reckon it's enough just to have a good friction fit.
 
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My piece of 6mm acrylic arrived today.

it fits the slot snugly but still isn't flat -- I think this is because of the widening behind the slot on the top side.

Not sure that a different material would behave differently.
Perhaps the slot in the Beach of @Theaps and @D heaps is different?

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I think this is because of the widening behind the slot on the top side.
More than likely and I had that problem too but fixed it with by making the edge a bit thicker. Try experimenting with something like helicopter tape or just 1 or more sheets of A4 until you get a tighter fit.

I guess if that doesn't work, it's either a sky hook on the outside edge or some kind of leg, maybe a bit of plastic waste pipe? Lot's of options down that route. A bit of pipe could also double as what my father in law used to call a persuader.... ;-) His was a pick axe handle behind his seat in his tipper lorry....
 
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Hi @Bramco -- thanks for the advice.

Measured my 6mm sheet - it's actually 5.68mm, and gave a 7 degree tilt (measured with using the 'measure' app on my iPhone) (the van is on the level by the way, 0 degrees)

So with various attempts with different tapes the best I've got was with Duck tape folded over both sides making it now 6.15mm and a 2 degree tilt. This makes quite a tight fit in the slot.

Some photos below. Celebratory Talisker at hand.

In terms of strength -- was fine with cooker + was just about oK with 1 litre of water (in a separate thermos flask) but I wasn't confident enough to test the 2 litre bottle fully.

Anyway I am pleased with what is a simple and convenient little table that didn't cost much and fits comfortably in the storage box when not in use.

(next question, can I make a cup of tea safely?, think I will use a heatproof mat of some sort before I light the stove)

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I can hear the discussions at the first stop already.

We have to be this way round, I can't sleep with my head below my feet.

But dear, the little side table has to be a couple of degrees that way or it won't be level.
 
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Hi @Bramco -- thanks for the advice.

Measured my 6mm sheet - it's actually 5.68mm, and gave a 7 degree tilt (measured with using the 'measure' app on my iPhone) (the van is on the level by the way, 0 degrees)

So with various attempts with different tapes the best I've got was with Duck tape folded over both sides making it now 6.15mm and a 2 degree tilt. This makes quite a tight fit in the slot.

Some photos below. Celebratory Talisker at hand.

In terms of strength -- was fine with cooker + was just about oK with 1 litre of water (in a separate thermos flask) but I wasn't confident enough to test the 2 litre bottle fully.

Anyway I am pleased with what is a simple and convenient little table that didn't cost much and fits comfortably in the storage box when not in use.

(next question, can I make a cup of tea safely?, think I will use a heatproof mat of some sort before I light the stove)

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Hi KP, like your thinking, keep it simple, clean lines, space saving etc,
could you attach an adjustable stay to the under side of the table top and run the support back into the storage pocket below the table top (to prevent the need for full leg support to floor of the van)
A small Perspex block or u bracket, glued to the underside of the table would allow a variety of pivoting attachments to the stay, either a foot mount or pin ( if you did not want to fix through the table top) and maintain the modern look.
The pin method could be made to be removable by using a Lynch pin, allowing the support leg to be removed from the table top if required.
could the other end of the stay go into the storage pocket to provide support and adjustment?
The support end could be fitted with a piece of rubber / end cap, / bung to prevent damage to the pocket and provide anti slip support.
If the stay were adjustable, in length and angle, for example a female to male adjusters (threaded bar / extension or adjustable casement stay) would it allow you to set the support at the correct angle when onsite, particularly as the ground / van would not always be level.

Obvs it would depend on the dimensions working around the available pocket storage and angles
 
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Hi KP, like your thinking, keep it simple, clean lines, space saving etc,
could you attach an adjustable stay to the under side of the table top and run the support back into the storage pocket below the table top (to prevent the need for full leg support to floor of the van)
A small Perspex block or u bracket, glued to the underside of the table would allow a variety of pivoting attachments to the stay, either a foot mount or pin ( if you did not want to fix through the table top) and maintain the modern look.
The pin method could be made to be removable by using a Lynch pin, allowing the support leg to be removed from the table top if required.
could the other end of the stay go into the storage pocket to provide support and adjustment?
The support end could be fitted with a piece of rubber / end cap, / bung to prevent damage to the pocket and provide anti slip support.
If the stay were adjustable, in length and angle, for example a female to male adjusters (threaded bar / extension or adjustable casement stay) would it allow you to set the support at the correct angle when onsite, particularly as the ground / van would not always be level.

Obvs it would depend on the dimensions working around the available pocket storage and angles

Polycarbonate sheet would be stronger than Perspex and allow a greater fire resistance.
 
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Ok as i'm sitting here bored with the work I'm supposed to be doing. I've worked out the relative rates of expansion for perspex & aluminium.

If we are assuming the perspex shelf is 6mm thick, to keep things simple I've assumed we are fitting it into effectivly a 6mm slot in the aluminium & therefore have only calculated the difference in expansion of that 6mm.

For a 20 degree change in temperature 6mm perspex will increase / decrease in size by 0.01mm
The 6mm of aluminium will change by just .003mm for the same temperature change.

At this point I would be starting to get concerned over the heat transmission properties of the perspex, a nice cold beer placed on the shelf close to the rear edge could cause the the perspex to shrink enough to loosen the shelf. On the other hand a gas stove would actually make it fit tighter.
 
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Big thanks to all contributors on this thread and especially BeachyBird.
I ordered the table and legs from Clearcut Conversions and the table clips from VW.

20 minutes of checking dimensions and marking clip locations the job was done!

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Thanks Beachybird. Unfortunately what shown is not what I am looking for . To better explain my idea is something similar to Maxxcamp but with smaller sizes ( 500x 300 ) instead of 740x400. I attach a picture of it. As you can see the key is the side rail which is capable to hold the standard table. Anybody can provide any info / ideas on how to find a rail which could handle standard table clips?

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Hi again the table top is 400mm by 450mm, brackets are on the short edge. I have included some pictures showing position of brackets and leg, if you do not want the access into the box both can be positioned the same distance from the edge. We used a piece of wood with recesses chiselled out to accommodate and secure the bracket. The leg is telescopic and folding so table can be stored behind the seat or elsewhere. One picture shows how far it sticks out in relation to the front seat so you could have it longer if you wanted. Thing to be mindful of, make sure you can slide the table forward enough so the leg positioned does not interfere with the making up of the bed.
Enjoy your first tea in bed without stepping outside.
Hi. This is amazing. I think this is a daft question but where do you get all the component parts from - table top, telescopic leg etc. I think hubby needs another project
 

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