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VW Emissions Scandal & The VW California

just in from VW UK...just passing on...
New vehicles with EU6 engines currently available not affected
  • All petrol models, as well as V6 TDI and V8 TDI models, unaffected
  • Technical solutions being developed andwill be presented to responsible authorities before end of October

Milton Keynes, September 30,2015 – Volkswagen Group UK is announcing its action plan to correct the emissions characteristics of certain diesel vehicles.

In the coming days, the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) details of affected cars will be released to retailers. In addition, a self-serve process for customers to check if their vehicle is affected will be set up.

Step by step, affected customers will be contacted, with details of a process to get their vehicles corrected in the near future. In the meantime, all vehicles are technically safe and roadworthy.

Under the action plan, the Volkswagen Group brands whose vehicles are affected will present the technical solutions and measures to relevant responsible authorities in October.

Customers with these vehicles will be kept informed over the coming weeks and months. All of the Group brands affected will set up national websites to update customers on developments.

The specific numbers of vehicles in the UK affected per brand are as follows:
Volkswagen Passenger Cars – 508,276
Audi – 393,450
SEAT – 76,773
ŠKODA – 131,569
Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles – 79,838
 
From BBC :

Volkswagen has announced that nearly 1.2 million of its vehicles sold in the UK are fitted with the software behind the emissions scandal.

It includes diesel-powered cars with the VW brand, Audi, Seat and Skoda as well as VW commercial vehicles.

In the next few days the company will give the vehicle identification numbers to retailers as well as coming up with a process for owners to check if their vehicles are affected.

VW will then start contacting owners.

The company stressed that all the vehicles are still safe and roadworthy.

VW plans to present its plans for resolving the problems with the affected vehicles to regulators next month.

The specific number of vehicles affected under each brand are:

  • Volkswagen cars 508,276
  • Audi 393,450
  • Seat 76,773
  • Skoda 131,569
  • VW commercial vehicles 79,838
  • Total 1,189,906
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34399503
 
I'm still not overly worried. Worst case it effects my fuel consumption and Vw will have to look at compensation. However there is still no evidence this effects euro vehicles.
 
Why?
The main reason for buying a Cali in the first place is because of the freedom and spontaneity that it provides.



I think you're getting confused, Borris. That's your main reason...not mine.


You're lucky you didn't buy a Cali because of a disabled family member who is incapable of flying to foreign holidays or stuggles with train or coach travel but who, nevertheless, deserves a fun holiday with their family. However, the family need to consider the residual value of any such purchase as the Cali would become a non-option as the disability worsens.



That's not my reason either but I can't miss an opportunity to be extreme and sensationalist :thumb
 
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I don't think so,

It's going to be 5 minutes in the dealers having the vehicle ECU plugged in and remapped.
If that's the case they could provide a mobile service. Could knock out a lot in a day. Probably half a dozen within a couple of hundred yards walk from where I live.
 
In the Netherlands a lawyers firm has setup a claim internet page...http://www.tdiclaim.nl. For now it is in Dutch language only but it was announced that they want to place a european mass claim if possible. Claim will be based on not delivering product according spec, customer costs and possible value drop. I guess it will take years before a claim will be settled.
Same firm has put up a Audiclaim website (http://www.audiclaim.org) due to faulty TFSI engines (oil consumption/pistonring problems).
In the mean time the VAG importer NL has concluded that most vehicles affected in the Netherlands are commercial vehicles (meaning also the Cali I have) but I think further news will follow. The importer has been requested (summoned?) to explain the situation to the transportation ministry.
The dutch dealers will contact their customers for any action required.

To end with a smile...I just booked a very nice camping place at the south coast of the Netherlands (Zeeland) for this weekend...wether forecast looks grate! 20 degrees C! :bananadance:thumb
 
In the Netherlands a lawyers firm has setup a claim internet page...http://www.tdiclaim.nl. For now it is in Dutch language only but it was announced that they want to place a european mass claim if possible. Claim will be based on not delivering product according spec, customer costs and possible value drop. I guess it will take years before a claim will be settled.
Same firm has put up a Audiclaim website (http://www.audiclaim.org) due to faulty TFSI engines (oil consumption/pistonring problems).
In the mean time the VAG importer NL has concluded that most vehicles affected in the Netherlands are commercial vehicles (meaning also the Cali I have) but I think further news will follow. The importer has been requested (summoned?) to explain the situation to the transportation ministry.
The dutch dealers will contact their customers for any action required.

To end with a smile...I just booked a very nice camping place at the south coast of the Netherlands (Zeeland) for this weekend...wether forecast looks grate! 20 degrees C! :bananadance:thumb
I can sense a marketing / PR driven compensation package for affected customers something like a choice of 1, £1000 cash to compensate for increased VED / less power / general inconvenience or 2 £5000 of a new VAG vehicle. This will prevent a slump in sales due to the damage to the VAG brand.
 
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Vw Inc , as do most conglomorates when found out have set up a very expensive team of lawyers to go over every word of apology and future actions regarding this scandle. The words 'sorry and customer focused ' usually appear many times in the dialogue thats put out.
Vw management appear at the moment to convey that this problem is just a technical issue thats going to be easily resolved. What a bunch of self conceited, self centered and protecting my pension pot team they really are.

Regardless of how great the Camper is, what a bunch to be at the helm
 
I think you're getting confused, Borris. That's your main reason...not mine.


You're lucky you didn't buy a Cali because of a disabled family member who is incapable of flying to foreign holidays or stuggles with train or coach travel but who, nevertheless, deserves a fun holiday with their family. However, the family need to consider the residual value of any such purchase as the Cali would become a non-option as the disability worsens.



That's not my reason either but I can't miss an opportunity to be extreme and sensationalist :thumb
Hi Art,
The nub of my post was that in my opinion, the resale value of the Cali will remain strong because of what it represents to most people who either own or want to own one. If as you say, the resale value was a key factor in your purchase then I personally think that the recent emissions issue will not make that much, if any difference in the long term.
In any case, you've got one, enjoy it and stop worrying. You can't do anything about it and it may never happen.
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80,000 commercial vehicles affected in the UK according to VW.
They say they are to recall all models (let's wait and see...)

So picture this. VW recall all vehicles for said changes. We lose power, possibly consumption. VW issue certificate to that effect, which gives us license to keep our existing VED tax band. To the contrary, we lose the tax band and pay more for our road tax.

Only time will tell....
 
It's a given that all affected vehicle owners will be compensated financially, class actions will see to this. Sadly it won't bring VW down either financially or off their conceited little perches but it will hurt them where they feel it most, in their greedy, deep pockets.
 
I don't think it's in anyone's interests to 'bring VW' down, not least the thousands of people who rely on VW for their livelihoods. Those that have done something wrong should be held to account, otherwise let's see what unfolds and just enjoy being 'out there' in our California's.....
 
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It's a given that all affected vehicle owners will be compensated financially, class actions will see to this. Sadly it won't bring VW down either financially or off their conceited little perches but it will hurt them where they feel it most, in their greedy, deep pockets.
It's not a given at all. Quantify your losses?

People may argue that they've used more fuel because of this? How much?

Granny driving around in 1st gear VS sales manager on motorway.

Everyone knows real world fuel economy is driver dependent and is nothing like the efficiency tests. That's always been the case and not just because VW were naughty and got caught.

Is everyone now going to hop on the band wagon and sue manufacturers because their vehicle didn't live up to the combined cycle on every journey?

It's a sad and bizarre stance and a symptom of our crazy blame and sue world.
 
It's not a given at all. Quantify your losses?

People may argue that they've used more fuel because of this? How much?

Granny driving around in 1st gear VS sales manager on motorway.

Everyone knows real world fuel economy is driver dependent and is nothing like the efficiency tests. That's always been the case and not just because VW were naughty and got caught.

Is everyone now going to hop on the band wagon and sue manufacturers because their vehicle didn't live up to the combined cycle on every journey?

It's a sad and bizarre stance and a symptom of our crazy blame and sue world.

Really?? Rather more unbelievable why individual customers of a h-u-g-e, incredibly rich (bit less now), powerful multinational company will defend the mighty VW despite being ripped off as if they are some sort of god to be worshipped and given sympathy??!

I guess you'll be at the back of the queue when successful precedents are set and every affected VW owner is automatically given the option of £XXXX as a nice fat cheque in the post?
 
Did my last post get removed?

Max - why are you here? You're not looking to buy VW ? Put your energy into something more positive related to whatever vehicle you want to buy?
 
Did my last post get removed?

Max - why are you here? You're not looking to buy VW ? Put your energy into something more positive related to whatever vehicle you want to buy?

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Fair enough, I had been looking to buy (my third VW camper) and got a long way down that route but plans have changed now.

I did not realise that there was such a consensus on this forum that any 'bad-mouthing' of VW or dissension amongst the ranks against VW or indeed the California is not welcome. If that is true then this is a very strange place. Forums exist for members to discuss, debate (argue?!) and express opinions.

If those views are unpopular so be it but to call for members to effectively **** off from the forum (especially when implied by a moderator 'agreeing' too) then that is a real shame. Recent events on here not least others being told to go combined with a certain member being promoted to a mod have not helped.
 
Actually my "like' was for the post two posts above, the flurry of activity plus other distractions caught me out, not for the first time.

My own opinion is the same as I posted at the beginning. I am quite enjoying the arrogant mighty falling. The recent fiasco with my own 240v charging system highlighted just how appalling the dealer network and customer support structure is.

I have no idea of the impact on performance nor VED bands so just going to have to wait and see.

I would hate to see VW crippled, it would harm all of us, not just Cali owners but all for whom the European economy is important. As I have said earlier, my hope is that a chastened and humbled VW will see a need to win friends starting with it's own customer base.
 
Get back in your pram. Nobody asked you to **** off. It was a question. Answer it?
 
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Fair enough, I had been looking to buy (my third VW camper) and got a long way down that route but plans have changed now.

I did not realise that there was such a consensus on this forum that any 'bad-mouthing' of VW or dissension amongst the ranks against VW or indeed the California is not welcome. If that is true then this is a very strange place. Forums exist for members to discuss, debate (argue?!) and express opinions.

If those views are unpopular so be it but to call for members to effectively **** off from the forum (especially when implied by a moderator 'agreeing' too) then that is a real shame. Recent events on here not least others being told to go combined with a certain member being promoted to a mod have not helped.

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johntowers46

Fair enough, I had been looking to buy (my third VW camper) and got a long way down that route but plans have changed now.

I did not realise that there was such a consensus on this forum that any 'bad-mouthing' of VW or dissension amongst the ranks against VW or indeed the California is not welcome. If that is true then this is a very strange place. Forums exist for members to discuss, debate (argue?!) and express opinions.

If those views are unpopular so be it but to call for members to effectively **** off from the forum (especially when implied by a moderator 'agreeing' too) then that is a real shame. Recent events on here not least others being told to go combined with a certain member being promoted to a mod have not helped.
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johntowers46

Fair enough, I had been looking to buy (my third VW camper) and got a long way down that route but plans have changed now.

I did not realise that there was such a consensus on this forum that any 'bad-mouthing' of VW or dissension amongst the ranks against VW or indeed the California is not welcome. If that is true then this is a very strange place. Forums exist for members to discuss, debate (argue?!) and express opinions.

If those views are unpopular so be it but to call for members to effectively **** off from the forum (especially when implied by a moderator 'agreeing' too) then that is a real shame. Recent events on here not least others being told to go combined with a certain member being promoted to a mod have not helped.

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GrannyJen

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johntowers46

Fair enough, I had been looking to buy (my third VW camper) and got a long way down that route but plans have changed now.

I did not realise that there was such a consensus on this forum that any 'bad-mouthing' of VW or dissension amongst the ranks against VW or indeed the California is not welcome. If that is true then this is a very strange place. Forums exist for members to discuss, debate (argue?!) and express opinions.

If those views are unpopular so be it but to call for members to effectively **** off from the forum (especially when implied by a moderator 'agreeing' too) then that is a real shame. Recent events on here not least others being told to go combined with a certain member being promoted to a mod have not helped.
 
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