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I've had an 180SE dsg and now have a Beach 150 manual. Both gearboxes are very good indeed so in the end it's purely down to personal choice.I have seen earlier threads on comparing manual to DSG, and find the general sentiments to be: DSG much better / no going back to manual once you try the DSG / regrets for not getting the DSG, etc. I just wonder why my own sentiments are so different.
Last week I test drove the 150 BHP manual, 150 BHP DSG and 204 BHP DSG with a view to deciding which to buy. My preference is for a 150 BHP manual (with 4 Motion), but when I read other views, I wonder if I'm missing something. My current vehicle is a 2012 Passat Variant 2.0 L manual, which I enjoy driving. I have driven an automatic only a few times, and never felt excited by them. I have to say, I enjoy the control of a manual. My experiences below:
150 BHP manual: When I drove this, I thought: wow, this has power and is very responsive. An enjoyable drive.
150 BHP DSG. When I drove this, I just felt disappointment. There seemed to be a significant delay between pressing the accelerator and getting a response. I found the drive functional, slow to respond and unexciting.
204 BHP DSG. I found this much more responsive than the 150 DSG. It was enjoyable to drive, but I found no more than the 150 manual. I had another drive in the 150 manual just to be sure.
In conclusion, if I was to get a DSG, it would have to be the 204 BHP to ensure I would enjoy the drive, but for a good few thousand Euros more! (I live in Belgium). Thus, I am inclined to go for the 150 manual, which for some reason, is only available with the 4 Motion. And I am keen on the idea of 4-wheel drive, since I plan to use it as an all year round car.
So, I just don't get it when I see the majority of comments saying they love the DSG (even the 150 BHP).
Is there anyone else out there who much prefers the manual? And why? What am I missing? The only time I feel I would prefer auto is in stop-start traffic. And for the California, there is an annoying distance between the manual gear stick and the hand break.
Also. I'm intrigued to understand why VW maintains the manual option for the 4 motion and not 2 motion (at least in Belgium). Are there advantages of a manual for 4-wheel-drive?
I have had the mk5 & 6 Golf GTI DSG and now a 150 Cali DSG, I loved the Golfs DSG boxes and would choose that over the manual but I think I would prefer a manual in the Cali, its just for me the Cali box is slightly more laggy than the Golf (Yes I know the GTI is a sports hatch but I would prefer the sharpness in the Cali.....Along with the Paddles.
Thanks for all the comments. All useful.
I was leaning to the manual 4motion, but salesman's view (his personal preference - he says) is he would choose a 204 HP DSG over that. (And of course, many are happy with the 150 HP DSG). So I'm wavering. Will need to do another test drive probably. One hitch, is the test drive location is in pretty flat territory (northern Belgium), so limited chance to test on hills.
I'm looking at lots of pro/cons Youtube videos. And actually learning more about how gears and autos work. This is a great one on the DSG:
Does this mean having DSG could be fattening? No exercise from constantly moving a leaver back and forth to match engine to road speed and the ease of endless patisseries consumption could be a danger to ones waistline!I recently discovered Ham & egg with whole grain mustard worked well in this scenario.
Does this mean having DSG could be fattening? No exercise from constantly moving a leaver back and forth to match engine to road speed and the ease of endless patisseries consumption could be a danger to ones waistline!
I do find it a bit odd that anyone would really dismiss having an auto (/DSG) GB purely because of the extra complication/potential cost of repair, but still I've heard people say that time and again.
On that basis, we'd presumably all still be driving cars with no turbos, or independent rear suspension, or electric windows, or aircon**. I could go on (and usually do).
(** Just had to cough up more than a grand today to get the aircon fixed on our Volvo, but hey that's the cost of staying cool.)
Don’t forget to factor in the cost of replacement Clutch, Dual Mass Flywheel and/clutch slave cylinder. More posts on these items than the DSG on this and other T5/6 Forums.I’ve driven the DSGs and my wife also has a Golf DSG. It’s a personal choice, but the manual gearbox is fantastic and I can’t understand the DSG love-in. Our 150ps Cali is manual and has a light clutch pedal and a slick change. Other than when stuck in heavy traffic, I struggle to see any benefit - especially if you enjoy driving and getting the best out of the vehicle. As a long-term purchase, the manual will enevitably be less problematic and expensive to repair as the vehicle ages. Manual is a great choice... go for it.