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With virtually every manufacturer aggressively in a race to introduce EV models to secure some market share and not being left out, it is difficult to think prices for EVs will holdAnother good reason not to purchase an EV.
I also think there is a lot behind the US and German government contributions to purchase that lead them to lower such that more of their cars qualifyI think that’s probably true.
However, the rest of the car industry bases their EV pricing on Tesla’s. So anything new released in the last two years now looks expensive…
Still off target....Model 3 needs to come down further (£24,423) to meet their original plan:I think that’s probably true.
However, the rest of the car industry bases their EV pricing on Tesla’s. So anything new released in the last two years now looks expensive…
no way the prices are going to hold ... as the value is in the software ... which you can only by from the manufacturer.it is difficult to think prices for EVs will hold
did not Musk also promise something like cars driving themselves many years ago?Still off target....Model 3 needs to come down further (£24,423) to meet their original plan:
Tesla Model 3 pitched as an 'affordable' electric car
Tesla unveils its much-anticipated Model 3 electric car saying it will cost $35,000 and have a range of at least 215 miles (346km) per charge.www.bbc.co.uk
Car is set up to do so, but not currently allowed on UK Roads.did not Musk also promise something like cars driving themselves many years ago?
No way! have you seen the self driving videos on YouTube? Nowhere close to what self-driving should be. Level 1 or 2 ... nowhere close to full-self-driving ... which would be at least at level 4 or 5.Car is set up to do so, but not currently allowed on UK Roads.
and after 8 years special software upgrades for forced obsolescence. Then discard the card. But you have saved the planet !!no way the prices are going to hold ... as the value is in the software ... which you can only by from the manufacturer.
If I was selling you a V6, I can make it hold the price ... maybe by ensuring that I have upgraded from a possible single turbo to a twin turbo or better bearings etc. Now that is value + add.
In an EV, there is nothing I Can do - Zilch! Zero, Nada. The manufacturer controls it all and they set the prices and control the prices.
They charge you for the car + basic software + additional software
When you sell you can only sell the car + basic software.
The new purchaser then has to purchase the additional software from the manufacturer ...
So the manufacturer wins as they have got money for the same piece of software twice and you lost that money on the additional software + depreciation to a piece of metal that you cannot do much to ... other than apply a few coats of polish to and make the exterior shine and then you have the majority of nincompoomps on YT who rave about a car ... without a clue on what car ownership is all about. For most of them, it is like another reuseable, throwaway ball pen.
Usually, the old car + additional software (inflated value) is very close to the new car ... so then why not buy a new car.
In all this, the customer is on the loosing side.
Nah, just made someone else rich. False economy right now.and after 8 years special software upgrades for forced obsolescence. Then discard the card. But you have saved the planet !!
People who say we don’t need EVs don’t live in the real world.
I drive a lot for work and traffic congestion and the shear number of cars sitting pumping out Co2 is absolutely tragic.
The faster we dump cars sitting idle with their engines running the better…!!!
Tend to use the only use the autopilot on the M25 and motorways. I just blip the throttle or touch the brake if ypu need to switch it off. Then pull the stalk down to switch it back on.No way! have you seen the self driving videos on YouTube? Nowhere close to what self-driving should be. Level 1 or 2 ... nowhere close to full-self-driving ... which would be at least at level 4 or 5.
There is an excellent test done by MKBHD on self driving and it only works half-decently on motorways.
It can be at best described as driving assist. Not FSD. I use driving assist on the motorways all the time ... but the drawbacks are so many ... you are more scared than relaxed when letting it drive ... not sure when it will phantom brake and when it will decide to lunge back into the lane even after you have indicated and it is safe to change lanes. IMO, the poor depth perception may be causing this.
It has very poor depth perception and one of the key reasons for all the phantom braking issues.
One of the items that really pi***s me off.
- move the stalk down once to engage traffic aware cruise.
- move the stalk down twice to engage self-driving
the only way to go back to traffic aware cruise is to either wrestle control back from the steering ... or disengage (move stalk up) and then engage (move stalk down once). This is a bizarre UI. If one click down is traffic aware cruise, that is what it should do each time. Will make for so much more a smoother ride.
@GrannyJen don’t forget the links to Dementia too.
The West Sussex CC online “Report a Pothole“ works a treat…… you report a pothole, they survey it, send out a team to repair it, then you report it again when the repair breaks up.Tend to use the only use the autopilot on the M25 and motorways. I just blip the throttle or touch the brake if ypu need to switch it off. Then pull the stalk down to switch it back on.
Only small niggle is that it will not allow you to undertake, which is perfectly legal to do on a gantry controlled variable speed road (such as M25), or , average speed limits . Easily overridden by gently pressing the accelerator.
...and of course it won't spot potholes!..and we have alot of them locally at the moment.
Agree with that. motorways is the best ... but again, in my mind ... if the car cannot do an action, it should be able to smoothly transfer control to the driver.Tend to use the only use the autopilot on the M25 and motorways. I just blip the throttle or touch the brake if ypu need to switch it off. Then pull the stalk down to switch it back on.
Only small niggle is that it will not allow you to undertake, which is perfectly legal to do on a gantry controlled variable speed road (such as M25), or , average speed limits . Easily overridden by gently pressing the accelerator.
...and of course it won't spot potholes!..and we have alot of them locally at the moment.
The West Sussex CC online “Report a Pothole“ works a treat…… you report a pothole, they survey it, send out a team to repair it, then you report it again when the repair breaks up.
Potential purchasers of EVs, and any other items, need to look at all available information and then make an informed decision that suits their needs. Or are you suggesting that potential owners just follow the heard mentality? In some cases EVs make a lot of sense, in cities and large towns, elsewhere it is far less clear cut and in many rural situations they make no sense whatever. I would hope potential owners gather as many facts/opinions as possible and make an informed decision. I actually like EVs, their driving experience is great. However, they will not solve climate change but they will contribute significantly to inner city clean air ideals.@Wild Camper
Have you thought about starting your own thread “I hate electric cars”?? There are others who I am sure would join you.
This thread has a pretty clear purpose that you are not really participating in.
Potential purchasers of EVs, and any other items, need to look at all available information and then make an informed decision that suits their needs. Or are you suggesting that potential owners just follow the heard mentality? In some cases EVs make a lot of sense, in cities and large towns, elsewhere it is far less clear cut and in many rural situations they make no sense whatever. I would hope potential owners gather as many facts/opinions as possible and make an informed decision. I actually like EVs, their driving experience is great. However, they will not solve climate change but they will contribute significantly to inner city clean air ideals.
As a retired Fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry and Fellow of the Institute of Materials a Chartered Engineer and Chartered Chemist I need no lecturing as to what constitutes a learned journal or learned research. As you say the comments have appeared elsewhere, eg The Times recently, but most individuals do not have access to the learned and peer reviewed scientific literature. So for many media articles are going to be their only source of information. This article is such a source, people can believed it or not as they wish.I quite agree with you regarding making an informed choice but whilst the Stoke Sentinel is I am sure just the media to provide such in-depth exhaustive analysis the "researcher" needs to pay a little bit of care and attention to due diligence.
Firstly I would question the state of the car he is driving. If he spent £43.45 at £0.66 p perKwH then he's added around 65-66 KwH. If that only gives him 126 miles then that is less than 2 miles per Kw which is probably less than a lead-acid milk float used to get. I have been getting around 3.1 miles per KW in my fairly basic EV in similar circumstances of cold, wipers, lights and heater on.
Filling one vehicle up with supermarket fuel and filling another up with motorway services fuel will not be a valid cost comparison in any circumstance, be it diesel, petrol or electric fuel.
I also fail to understand the "Man was it stressful" comments when arriving at a refuelling point with 7% of available fuel left. It is equally stressful in any car, regardless of the fuel that they run on and, frankly, does not say much for the intelligence of the driver who at the flick of a finger could have asked the sat nav to take him to the nearest fuelling point when discomfort is first manifested. I have many times set off on a journey with intentions to refuel at point x only to discover en-route point x is not feasible. It is not a phenomenon solely limited to EV's.
I drive an EV simply because my personal circumstances, including my conscience, makes it viable for me to do so. I am under no illusions of their limitations, To work out the maths is not rocket science although the author of the learned work published appears to want to make it so.
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