Which electric car to buy?

[reserves]

I think this is more realistic to the future direction. My only concern is the safety aspect having dealt with high pressure hydrogen.

Are you scientist or an engineer?

I have never understood why people make comments like this. The view that it presents is bleak, so no one could enjoy saying these things, but the mystery is even weirder because it's not accurate.

Some electric car batteries which have reached the end of their useful lives in cars are recycled using new technologies, and that will increase, but most are currently having their still impressive capabilities repurposed as storage for individual domestic and small business net zero solar systems. These batteries are turning out to be a god send for medical clinics in third world countries who use solar to power their medical equipment because there is no local electric network in their remote zones. That's just one of the uses that is currently booming. Imaginative people are finding uses for well beyond the amount of second hand batteries currently available.

Why do people feel driven to say this technology will fail, when there is real time evidence that it is already succeeding in ways that weren't even imagined a few years ago? It seems clear to me that it is a sort of psychological trauma some people experience because of the rate of change of almost everything, as was written about years ago in the game changing book "Future Shock." This book was a study of why many people can't assimilate improvements from which they objectively benefit.

Where Electric Car Batteries Go When They Die

More companies and carmakers are getting in on recycling to save costs.

www.autoweek.com

Future Shock - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edit: When I was a conservatory student in the 1970s, I rented a room in the home of a 91 year old retired concert pianist. She was not disabled in any way, and once a week she drove her Buick over the Northern California coastal mountains from the rural village of 800 people where we lived to visit her friends in San Francisco. I asked her once what it was like to have lived a life which spanned such profound change. In answer, she said that, for context, she had come to this same village as a young girl with her father in a stage coach.

If she could deal with the future without rejecting it from future shock, so can we.

Always good to see a post based on knowledge and facts.

It’s sad how much FUD there is around electric cars but generally people are naturally resistant to change.

 

[Legin]

Yes I am. Are you in IT ? Always bad to see someone with a closed mind

 

[soulstyledevon]

so im doing more damage doing 2 miles a day than some one who drives from liverpool to london every day . if you want to save the planet . stop buying stuff. air was cleaner when the world stopped. if we all went on a cycle ride tomorrow it would be a global disaster. all that breathing and farting . too many people buying to much stuff . and buying an electric car is one more thing to get rid of in 10 years time. they will end up like i phones. I've still got my nokia 3310. how many phones and tvs have you had in the last 30 years. stop buying sing. put a tree in your garden instead of a charging point.

Someone travelling Liverpool to London, can’t easily cover that distance without a car.
However, covering a distance of only 2 miles is easily achievable via bicycle or by simply walking…

 

[soulstyledevon]

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[reserves]

Yes I am. Are you in IT ? Always bad to see someone with a closed mind

I was asking which one you were, an scientist or an engineer. Speaking of closed minds…

 

[Legin]

I was asking which one you were.

Engineer that worked with R&D Scientists for an Oil major in the Petrochem industry and committee member on the Cheshire Energy hub - Northern Powerhouse. Whats your background ?

 

[blondebier]

One of the things that attracted me to Polestar was their transparency regarding the environmental impact their cars have on the planet.

They were quick to release their LCA for the P2.

https://www.polestar.com/dato-assets/11286/1600176185-20200915polestarlcafinala.pdf

The comparison between the a XC40 and a P2 powered by wind over 200,000 KM is quite something.

The comparison between "dirty" electricity and an ICE XC40 not that significant.

I hope in future the LCA becomes standardised so that consumers can compare vehicles.

A low mileage user without a green charger may in fact be kinder to the planet by opting for a petrol equivalent.

Something to think about...

 

[reserves]

Engineer that worked with R&D Scientists for an Oil major in the Petrochem industry and committee member on the Cheshire Energy hub - Northern Powerhouse. Whats your background ?

I accept your apology….

My background isn’t relevant to the point in hand but do appreciate your interest

The reason I asked is that my brother is an engineer, he worked on a partnership with Ford on future fuels and always said that Hydrogen was the way forward, though this was 5 years ago.

Current evidence and engineers I listen to suggest otherwise that Hydrogen isn’t viable.

 

[Legin]

I accept your apology….

My background isn’t relevant to the point in hand but do appreciate your interest

The reason I asked is that my brother is an engineer, he worked on a partnership with Ford on future fuels and always said that Hydrogen was the way forward, though this was 5 years ago.

Current evidence engineers I listen to suggest otherwise that Hydrogen isn’t viable.

Apology ? , I think you need to read it again. Im not sure why you feel the need to hide your background and expect me to answer your enquiry about mine as that is surely also irrelevant.

Hydrogen has issues as do batteries. Question is what's the least worse option but we will see I guess.

Anyway back on topic

 

[reserves]

Apology ? , I think you need to read it again. Im not sure why you feel the need to hide your background and expect me to answer your enquiry about mine as that is surely also irrelevant.

Hydrogen has issues as do batteries. Question is what's the least worse option but we will see I guess.

Anyway back on topic

This isn’t worth my energy, have a good day.

Back on topic.

 

[Lancia037]

I think the demand for new cars (via lease deals, PCP etc) is causing an unnecessary environmental impact. Hundreds of thousands of 2/3 year PCP and lease deals are causing an unnatural inflated demand for brand new cars to be made.

I think we need 'greener' finance deals, whereby someone can finance a car over a much longer time period with certain repair guarantees. Make cars that are less disposable, easy to repair.

 

[WelshGas]

I think the demand for new cars (via lease deals, PCP etc) is causing an unnecessary environmental impact. Hundreds of thousands of 2/3 year PCP and lease deals are causing an unnatural inflated demand for brand new cars to be made.

I think we need 'greener' finance deals, whereby someone can finance a car over a much longer time period with certain repair guarantees. Make cars that are less disposable, easy to repair.

I wonder how many New vehicles, any sort, are bought for cash/HP or a loan. Very few is my guess, and very few on PCP make the balloon payment at the end. Sales are dictated by the monthly payments which can be manipulated to drive sales.
Without PCP I wonder if new vehicle prices would have risen as much as they have.

 

[Lancia037]

I wonder how many New vehicles, any sort, are bought for cash/HP or a loan. Very few is my guess, and very few on PCP make the balloon payment at the end. Sales are dictated by the monthly payments which can be manipulated to drive sales.
Without PCP I wonder if new vehicle prices would have risen as much as they have.

That's exactly it. Both of my parents get a £350 a month car allowance. Finding them a new car is like finding a new gas & electric deal. There's websites with thousands of deals that you can just sort by monthly price. It's also causing ridiculous depreciation, a bit of a self-perpetuating cycle, as the depreciation is what puts you off owning it over the long term.

These are the same people who, growing up, would finance a newish Golf and keep it for 10 years.

 

[Winston Rumfoord]

Someone travelling Liverpool to London, can’t easily cover that distance without a car.
However, covering a distance of only 2 miles is easily achievable via bicycle or by simply walking…

Please think of other people who might not be able to easily walk or cycle two miles. It’s really important to try and think of others who might be in a different situation to you.

 

[willwander]

I wonder how many New vehicles, any sort, are bought for cash/HP or a loan. Very few is my guess, and very few on PCP make the balloon payment at the end. Sales are dictated by the monthly payments which can be manipulated to drive sales.
Without PCP I wonder if new vehicle prices would have risen as much as they have.

We need to make new stuff, Take-Make-Waste.
It's called the linear economy and it's what makes the world go round.
According to some, the economy/jobs/GDP/living standards would tank without it, according to others we could all live in a sustainable, socialist utopia. Depends on your politics.

Back on topic please

 

[starbug]

Someone travelling Liverpool to London, can’t easily cover that distance without a car.
However, covering a distance of only 2 miles is easily achievable via bicycle or by simply walking…

read my earlier post it is 2 miles down a lane with no path and too dangerous to cycle. im not against battery cars , or any car. buy what you like. just make sure you keep it for the next 20 years or more. before you answer this text take a look in your wheelie bins or take a ride to your local tip . im not a tree hugger I've done my fair share of buying cars and motorcycles over the years. but we got to keep stuff longer not just cars everything.

 

[Joker 1299]

read my earlier post it is 2 miles down a lane with no path and too dangerous to cycle. im not against battery cars , or any car. buy what you like. just make sure you keep it for the next 20 years or more. before you answer this text take a look in your wheelie bins or take a ride to your local tip . im not a tree hugger I've done my fair share of buying cars and motorcycles over the years. but we got to keep stuff longer not just cars everything.

But you bought a (presumably) new T6.1? Why not buy secondhand?

 

[Ch1pbutty]

Someone travelling Liverpool to London, can’t easily cover that distance without a car.

Train?

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

Perhaps we should build a league table for the most entertaining ‘bun fights’ on the forum

 

[starbug]

But you bought a (presumably) new T6.1? Why not buy secondhand?

its a coast it was new. second hand were more expensive. and i didn't buy it and then claim to be saving the planet. its paid for and plan to keep it for as long as there is fuel for it. im going to drive many miles around europe . changing your car every 2 or 3 years can't be good .

 

[soulstyledevon]

Perhaps we should build a league table for the most entertaining ‘bun fights’ on the forum

Isn’t this why we’re all here…?
Imagine if everyone agreed and nodded along.
Boring

 

[Joker 1299]

its a coast it was new. second hand were more expensive. and i didn't buy it and then claim to be saving the planet. its paid for and plan to keep it for as long as there is fuel for it. im going to drive many miles around europe . changing your car every 2 or 3 years can't be good .

So when you say ‘we just got to keep things longer’ you mean ‘you just got to keep things longer’ and I’ll buy new when it suits me. OK, that’s fair enough and equates to my philosophy. That’s what keeps the economy going.

 

[Joker 1299]

We could all (some) go back to living in caves but we would have no means of sharing our thoughts on forums (fora?) like this. Except, maybe, smoke signals? Oh no! That’s bad for the environment too…

 

[GrumpyGranddad]

Isn’t this why we’re all here…?
Imagine if everyone agreed and nodded along.
Boring

Agree @soulstyledevon, I love a good debate myself, but some ‘bun fights’ on here do go OTT, especially when they get a little too personal.

 

[Amarillo]

Someone travelling Liverpool to London, can’t easily cover that distance without a car.
However, covering a distance of only 2 miles is easily achievable via bicycle or by simply walking…

Bicycle and train makes for a quick way to travel between cities for the able-bodied: up to 5 miles from Euston to up to 5 miles from Lime Street should take about 3 hours. Driving between Tate Modern and Tate Liverpool would take about 50% longer.

I just wish they’d sort out rail pricing properly and provide adequate facilities on trains for bicycles.