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Table Mode? Lost me with that one

If you fold the seat backrest forward the rear of the seat, with Isofix top tethers upwards, does level up and align with the top of multiflex. I didn't notice a height difference anyway!

I'm sure this set-up would of been easier to set-up with a van full of gear, whilst you were on your travels.

We use some plastic boxes for storage behind the front seats during our trips to France, got me wondering if some bespoke ply boxes could be made to extend the bed forward of the rear seat. Also, If designed well, these boxes could be stacked up to make a small pod unit.
 
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Table Mode? Lost me with that one

If you fold the seat backrest forward the rear of the seat, with Isofix top tethers upwards, does level up and align with the top of multiflex. I didn't notice a height difference anyway!

I'm sure this set-up would of been easier to set-up with a van full of gear, whilst you were on your travels.

We use some plastic boxes for storage behind the front seats during our trips to France, got me wondering if some bespoke ply boxes could be made to extend the bed forward of the rear seat. Also, If designed well, these boxes could be stacked up to make a small pod unit.

I've always thought of the Bench seat having three modes: table (bench seat folded forward), bench (bench seat in normal seating position) and bed (bench seat folded back). I don't know where the term "table mode" made it into my brain.

Both Clare and I have slept on the bench seat in bench mode a few times with the child seats stuffed into the front passenger footwell, and the other adult plus two boys in the roof. I'm a large 6' so it's not very comfortable. Perhaps table mode would have been better, but we had luggage piled to the ceiling above the multiflex. But now we can have a fixed 150 x 100 double on the multiflex and multiflex extension for two boys, child seats can remain in place, and clare and I upstairs. We also know how to pack and what we do not need to pack, and I reckon all our luggage for a two week holiday, except residence room, will fit under the multiflex, multiflex extension and in our window bags. Arrival at parking spot at 10pm and departure at 8am should be dead easy - haha. Perhaps we will trial it for the first time at the Dorset Club Meet at the end of September.
 
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First night out with the underbed crates and multiflex extension.

Setting up camp was dead easy.
- after the topper was on, roof popped and awning room was set up, put the MUJI drawers in the awning room
- upper bedding upstairs
- multiflex extension tilted and bits for the weekend extracted from the trays
- design of the crates makes pulling out things like fleeces easy
- child seats removed and placed under the multiflex
All done. Fixed 150x100cm bed above the multiflex and multiflex extension. Saloon in cabin area. Kitchen in awning room. 120x200 bed upstairs.

Delighted at how easy it all is for a night away.


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First night out with the underbed crates and multiflex extension.

Setting up camp was dead easy.
- after the topper was on, roof popped and awning room was set up, put the MUJI drawers in the awning room
- upper bedding upstairs
- multiflex extension tilted and bits for the weekend extracted from the trays
- design of the crates makes pulling out things like fleeces easy
- child seats removed and placed under the multiflex
All done. Fixed 150x100cm bed above the multiflex and multiflex extension. Saloon in cabin area. Kitchen in awning room. 120x200 bed upstairs.

Delighted at how easy it all is for a night away.


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Pictures please of your awning room.
 
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Pictures please of your awning room.
No-frills photo...
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Read all this @Amarillo and very very impressed. Some great joinery and design there. Not got my cali yet, but the space you have maximised but i can imagine that being a great bonus with 2 kids (and all they thibgs they need. My 5 year daughter wants to take 5 teddies everywhere!!
 
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Read all this @Amarillo and very very impressed. Some great joinery and design there. Not got my cali yet, but the space you have maximised but i can imagine that being a great bonus with 2 kids (and all they thibgs they need. My 5 year daughter wants to take 5 teddies everywhere!!
We are delighted with it. Highly versatile- just like a Beach should be, and makes short trips and overnight stops so easy.

We are now at Norman’s Bay Campsite near Eastbourne. The only things packed above the Multiflex were:
Mattress
G3 awning room panels
Bedding


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The gas box is not sealed, but it is about 3" taller than the 907 bottle and has a simple lift off lid. What, if any, effect that will have on any escaping butane is something I have limited knowledge, but I hope that most of any escaping butane would confine itself to the box. The box was ridiculously expensive, and for that price I expected a sealed box.

It would depend on the size of the leak. As you've mentioned, the box is mainly designed to act as a bund to contain any escaping heavier than air Butane gas. It's too late now but as far as that function is concerned any large box that will hold water would do exactly the same job and at a fraction of the cost! A Eurocrate or Really Useful Box perhaps. Hopefully if there were to be a leak of this kind you would smell the stenching agent in the gas and remove the box and vent it safely outside of the van. However, if the leak were larger and lay undiscovered which is unlikely, then eventually it would almost certainly overflow past the unsealed lid just like a bath where the taps have been left running. Under these circumstances it would mean your vehicle would have a box full of butane gas vapour and a highly flammable gas/air mix cloud developing at low level inside your van. Not a good situation to be in.

I'm not familiar with the specific applications for which these boxes are designed or their test critia but if as the link says, "Our unique gas cylinder lockers are constructed from fire retardant GRP using Class 1 resin and exceed the BS 476-20 standard for fire safety", then logically that would be to provide a degree of protection from an external fire source. I really don't know how effective they are at preventing the cylinders from becoming compromised under these circumstances. However, any protection offered in a fire situation might reduce the likelyhood of injury or worse to fire fighters attempting to extinguish the incident.

On a slightly different note, If you have gas cylinders in your Cali then it's a very good idea to give the Emergency Services a warning. Display a LPG Gas label on the boot.
They will be on the look out for gas cylinders in a vehicle that is obviously a campervan but might overlook a vehicle that doesn't have the usual campervan kitchen features e.g a Cali Beach.

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Getting back on topic, IMO the benefits of this gas box to the occupants of the vehicle are debatable. If I were trapped in a vehicle that was on fire (a very rare occurance), then I for one would be thankfull that the gas cylinders were contained in a fire resistant box. However under all other circumstances the best thing to do would be to take very big steps well away from the vehicle and then call the Fire Service.

To add a little perspective, here is a Youtube clip of a prize idiot throwing a Campingaz C205 GLS cartridge onto a fire. DON'T try this at home.


That Campingaz cartridge contained 190 gramms of Butane. A full Campingaz 907 that most of us use contains 2.7 kgs of Butane. That's over fourteen times as much gas!

IMO the best way to ensure that there are no leaks on your 907 when you stow it is to always transport it separately, disconnected from the appliance and to do a quick leak test with a washing up liquid and water mix after first screwing the seal back on tightly. If all is well then you shouldn't have any problems. If you have a SE/Ocean then I stand to be corrected but I believe any leaking gas is vented to open air from the bottom of the water jacket container. When I had an SE I always disconnected at the cylinder and checked that the seal was really tight before driving away.

So on balance, I think that your box is a useful safety accessory to have as it could reduce risk in the event of a small leak and it affords some protection in the event of an external fire. Also you have it positioned in about the best position in the van to afford maximum safety to the occupants in a collision. The heavy cylinders can't fly about in a crash and they are as about as far away from any deformation of the bodywork in the event of a crash.
 
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So on balance, I think that your box is a useful safety accessory to have as it could reduce risk in the event of a small leak and it affords some protection in the event of an external fire. Also you have it positioned in about the best position in the van to afford maximum safety to the occupants in a collision. The heavy cylinders can't fly about in a crash and they are as about as far away from any deformation of the bodywork in the event of a crash.
It is pure luck that it is in the safest position in the van - it is not something I had considered at all...

The main purpose of the box was to make unstackable 907 bottles stackable with various articles of luggage.above The issue I then had was extraction of the gas bottles: everything had to be unpacked before unpacking the gas box. I now have a packing regime where the stackable gas box is at the bottom of the luggage, in what should be the most inaccessible part of the boot, but is readily extractable because nothing is stacked above.
 
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Kitchen table

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Lower parcel shelf (resting on the wheel arch trim)

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The bench can be lowered into the bed with the table in-situ. Once the bench has been lowered for the bed the table cannot be removed, but anything stored below it can be slid out.
 
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Kitchen table

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Lower parcel shelf (resting on the wheel arch trim)

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The bench can be lowered into the bed with the table in-situ. Once the bench has been lowered for the bed the table cannot be removed, but anything stored below it can be slid out.
Where did you get the table legs? Do they come in a shorter version that I could use to make a bed. When alone with my bike in the van it is best for bike storage to have 2 single seats not the bench seat. At present I put a bed made form folding form on the van floor but I would kike to be a bit higher. Do not use roof bed- no fun putting it down in wind and when I am away from site. Also I am a bit too short.
 
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Where did you get the table legs? Do they come in a shorter version that I could use to make a bed. When alone with my bike in the van it is best for bike storage to have 2 single seats not the bench seat.

They come in 650mm and 700mm heights.

You could overlap the legs to make a shorter table.
 
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A pocket hole jig would be a help for joining - Kreg or other
 
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I've always thought of the Bench seat having three modes: table (bench seat folded forward), bench (bench seat in normal seating position) and bed (bench seat folded back). I don't know where the term "table mode" made it into my brain.

Both Clare and I have slept on the bench seat in bench mode a few times with the child seats stuffed into the front passenger footwell, and the other adult plus two boys in the roof. I'm a large 6' so it's not very comfortable. Perhaps table mode would have been better, but we had luggage piled to the ceiling above the multiflex. But now we can have a fixed 150 x 100 double on the multiflex and multiflex extension for two boys, child seats can remain in place, and clare and I upstairs. We also know how to pack and what we do not need to pack, and I reckon all our luggage for a two week holiday, except residence room, will fit under the multiflex, multiflex extension and in our window bags. Arrival at parking spot at 10pm and departure at 8am should be dead easy - haha. Perhaps we will trial it for the first time at the Dorset Club Meet at the end of September.
Thank you for this ‘table mode’ gem, Amarillo. I was racking my brains for a suitable one-night pit-stop sleeping arrangement for two adults, two children and one dog. Up to now, I have had two choices:
Tidy the van, kick out the other passengers and make-up the downstairs bed (including moving any camping equipment off of the multiflex and onto the front seats) OR
One unlucky adult sleeping across the bench seat (I’m 6’1” with a sore back), then three people upstairs.
Using the ‘table mode’, with the comfort mattress square sections pulled over the top, our daughter (11yrs) can use it as a single bed (across van width) with dog on floor, leaving me & Mrs Wease to sleep upstairs with the boy(8yrs & cuddly). I’ll probably top&tail the other two, for shoulder-space.
The difference might not seem huge but this could be a game-changer for us, in terms of stress and sleep quality. At least until our daughter grows above 150cm!
 
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Got the multiflex extension or kitchen work table cut today from 18mm ply. In fact, I got two cut: 1500 x 380 mm and 1500 x 450 mm. This gives a fixed rear bed size of 150 x 96 cm or 150 x 103 cm. I’ll try the two boys out on it tomorrow.

I’ve ordered four folding legs for one of the MF extension/worktop tables. The board fits snugly on top of the two trays, but with the legs correctly attached it will be held securely in place with the legs tucked neatly within the tray cavities. The board sits 1 - 2 mm lower than the top of the MF, but once the trays and board are varnished this small drop should be even smaller.

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Crates to pack under the multiflex and multiflex extension.
From top to bottom:
Two 540 x 480 plywood crates
Two 750 x 380 plywood trays
Four muji drawers
Gas box for two 907 bottles
Double gas burner and grill

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Under the MF extension
Two varnished crates supporting two unfinished trays, with a gap between the crates for the gas box.

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The two trays seen from above between the bench seat and multiflex. The bench seat is positioned so if dropped it will make the standard bed without the bench needing to be moved fore or aft.

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The MF extension in position.

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The boot fully packed with everything seen in the first photo.


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Tom - just reading and re-reading your designs and popped to the garage to experiment. With the seat in the bed position, and your extension in place, folding the seat to “table” gave an instant bed that is slightly shorter than the conventional bed but allows to leave your extension in place.

please tell me I am not mad at that and work with your extension in place. If so I think I would go for a longer drawer slide to access the whole storage (maybe a water tank behind the seat) and access if it doesn’t slide the whole way out by lifting up the multiflex on the existing hinges???
 
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Tom - just reading and re-reading your designs and popped to the garage to experiment. With the seat in the bed position, and your extension in place, folding the seat to “table” gave an instant bed that is slightly shorter than the conventional bed but allows to leave your extension in place.

please tell me I am not mad at that and work with your extension in place. If so I think I would go for a longer drawer slide to access the whole storage (maybe a water tank behind the seat) and access if it doesn’t slide the whole way out by lifting up the multiflex on the existing hinges???

I hope I understand what you are proposing.

Making the bed by using:
The multiflex
An extension (about 380mm)
The bench in table mode

Under the multiflex and extension you want a very deep sliding tray that would pull out maybe 70% of the way, and you ask if the remaining ~30% can be accessed by lifting the rear flap of the multiflex?

I can see this working if you can build the multiflex extension to be self supporting on legs which fit in the tiny gap between the floor rails and wheel arch trim or on top of the wheel arch trim. I don’t think it would be easy.
 
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I hope I understand what you are proposing.

Making the bed by using:
The multiflex
An extension (about 380mm)
The bench in table mode

Under the multiflex and extension you want a very deep sliding tray that would pull out maybe 70% of the way, and you ask if the remaining ~30% can be accessed by lifting the rear flap of the multiflex?

I can see this working if you can build the multiflex extension to be self supporting on legs which fit in the tiny gap between the floor rails and wheel arch trim or on top of the wheel arch trim. I don’t think it would be easy.
yep I think that sums it up. I have not looked into the mechanics yet, I may just go for a storage "box" with a lid (where your arrangement sits) and a shorter slide. I think with your current setup you could just go to table mode with leaving everything in, ideal for an overnight stop in transit for example.

I have been trying to find the post from earlier this year where someone replaced the whole multiflex with a new construction, this may be an easier option.

Found it here: https://vwcaliforniaclub.com/threads/beach-3-seater-bed-and-storage-improvement.39156/ seat folds forwards. Looks like I need to start designing.
 
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I hope I understand what you are proposing.

Making the bed by using:
The multiflex
An extension (about 380mm)
The bench in table mode

Under the multiflex and extension you want a very deep sliding tray that would pull out maybe 70% of the way, and you ask if the remaining ~30% can be accessed by lifting the rear flap of the multiflex?

I can see this working if you can build the multiflex extension to be self supporting on legs which fit in the tiny gap between the floor rails and wheel arch trim or on top of the wheel arch trim. I don’t think it would be easy.
so current plan is to place something like this behind the seat and in front of the multiflex to fill the gap between the multiflex board and the seat back. installing a board will allow for access from the top to storage and will be part of the bed base when the seat is in table mode. Just need to check the dimensions before purchasing, or I will look for a local fabricator. this would allow a longer drawer under the runners and keep the seat in a fixed position.Screenshot 2021-05-17 at 20.04.12.png
 

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