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In my EU travels, I have been pulled over at the Austria/Hungary border because they thought that my motorhome was more than 3.5 tonnes and I was displaying a less than 3.5 tonne vignette. This was done by NPR on the motorway. My motorhome had been down plated from 3.8 tonnes. When I showed my logbook (3.5 tonnes) they went off to their border post to check; came back and apologised and said that they had amended their records. I wasn't aware that they had records.
Travelling through Germany, I was signalled to follow a customs car which pulled in front of our motorhome, then followed it off the motorway to a customs depot kitted out with a comprehensive array of tools. There it was given a thorough examination, although I think that the customs officer in charge decided fairly early on that we were not smuggling anyone or anything.

I had that in France. Just crossed over the border from Belgium and Douane, front and back, in front "follow me".

I followed to a garage where two hatchet-faced, gloved up custom ladies promptly started to take Albert apart, opening and emptying every cupboard. Meanwhile I am talking to the boss who on hearing I was a historienne de la Grand Guerre and was overnighting in Arras became very engaged.

We were having a great conversation when lady hatchet face one indicated to a box in my van and through hand signals suggested she wanted me to open it. The bosss shrugged his shoulders and continued to have a discussion with me. Finally hatchet faces one and two had enough, with a great theatrical gesture they lifted up the box .....

and stared in horror at my porta potti !!

They decided not to search it.

They found nothing.
 
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I had that in France. Just crossed over the border from Belgium and Douane, front and back, in front "follow me".

I followed to a garage where two hatchet-faced, gloved up custom ladies promptly started to take Albert apart, opening and emptying every cupboard. Meanwhile I am talking to the boss who on hearing I was a historienne de la Grand Guerre and was overnighting in Arras became very engaged.

We were having a great conversation when lady hatchet face one indicated to a box in my van and through hand signals suggested she wanted me to open it. The bosss shrugged his shoulders and continued to have a discussion with me. Finally hatchet faces one and two had enough, with a great theatrical gesture they lifted up the box .....

and stared in horror at my porta potti !!

They decided not to search it.

They found nothing.
didn't they find any 'sheit'
 
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So to close out part of the discussion on Brits living in EU. You have right to roam around the country you are resident in, with no restrictions. Outside of the country you are in, the 90/180 rule applies as it does for all U.K. Citizens. This does mean you can pop back into the country you are resident in between, however as a resident, you have to maintain 183 days a year in the country anyway. There is no extension or exemption on the 90/180 days for brits.
 
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So to close out part of the discussion on Brits living in EU. You have right to roam around the country you are resident in, with no restrictions. Outside of the country you are in, the 90/180 rule applies as it does for all U.K. Citizens. This does mean you can pop back into the country you are resident in between, however as a resident, you have to maintain 183 days a year in the country anyway. There is no extension or exemption on the 90/180 days for brits.
I think some residency permits apparently may give free access to to the whole Schengen area, like this one. I’m not sure.

 
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I think some residency permits apparently may give free access to to the whole Schengen area, like this one. I’m not sure.

Access to Schengen is still 90/180 on these systems. Only way to have free access is to be a citizen of a country in the EEA.
 
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Access to Schengen is still 90/180 on these systems. Only way to have free access is to be a citizen of a country in the EEA.
It looks like the minimum stay requirements in Portugal are pretty onerous.
 
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I think some residency permits apparently may give free access to to the whole Schengen area, like this one. I’m not sure.


I have rights to remain in Portugal, under the terms of the withdrawal agreement. I already had the 5 year residency certificate and now have another off SEF over there. When they get round to it they are going to issue biometric plastic cards. My understanding is that I will have the right to travel freely round the EU without restrictions.

Nothing changes with my U.K. status and I continue to pay all my direct taxes etc in the U.K.
 
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I have rights to remain in Portugal, under the terms of the withdrawal agreement. I already had the 5 year residency certificate and now have another off SEF over there. When they get round to it they are going to issue biometric plastic cards. My understanding is that I will have the right to travel freely round the EU without restrictions.

Nothing changes with my U.K. status and I continue to pay all my direct taxes etc in the U.K.
I wonder if that will be the same for those that apply after Brexit? I suspect not.
 
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I wonder if that will be the same for those that apply after Brexit? I suspect not.

Think not, as you had to apply for the 5 year residency at the local council office by end of December 2020. That cost 15 euro.

Under the withdrawal agreement, immediate & qualifying members of my family can also apply post end of 2020 under the family unification rules. So my other half can get the same rights as me even though she had not applied for the 5 year residency in time.
 
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Think not, as you had to apply for the 5 year residency at the local council office by end of December 2020. That cost 15 euro.

Under the withdrawal agreement, immediate & qualifying members of my family can also apply post end of 2020 under the family unification rules. So my other half can get the same rights as me even though she had not applied for the 5 year residency in time.
Good for you, it is such a shame we have lost all this, you sound like a man who had a plan.
 
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I have rights to remain in Portugal, under the terms of the withdrawal agreement. I already had the 5 year residency certificate and now have another off SEF over there. When they get round to it they are going to issue biometric plastic cards. My understanding is that I will have the right to travel freely round the EU without restrictions.

Nothing changes with my U.K. status and I continue to pay all my direct taxes etc in the U.K.
Don’t want to contradict what you have been told elsewhere but rules seem pretty clear that Brits with residency (temp or permanent) are limited to 90/180 outside of the country they are resident in. The burden of proof is on you as the individual to show that you did not breach the rules. I have this issue as I fly from Germany a lot and I now need to keep all records of onwards flights into Poland. I did ask what happens if I drive not fly, and didn’t get a satisfactory answer so for now, flying it is as it has a record of the trip at least.
 
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Good for you, it is such a shame we have lost all this, you sound like a man who had a plan.

Yes I did as I have a house over there and split my time between Portugal & the U.K. and the rest of the EU. So my application was legit.

But many British who live on boats on the River Guadiana, and who come and go, were also able to get the 5 year residency from the local council office at the cost of 15 euro. They can now convert that to permanent rights.
 
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Penalties for overstaying.

 
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Stumbled on this website. Haven’t researched/validated it but it might be useful for those wanting to stay in parts of the EU longer than 90 days. Extract below:

France offers a long-term visitor visa for a period of up to one year. The application process takes up to one month. According to the French Embassy, “The ‘visitor’ visa (or visa ‘D’) allows you to enter France and stay for more than three months. Long-stay visa holders will be allowed to reside in France for up to 12 months according to the validity of their visa and purpose of stay.”

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