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Grand California 600
In the UK we have a saying, if something's like Marmite. It means you loved it or hate it, no in-between.

Ever wondered why almost all motorhomes have separate control panels for heating, water, solar, inverter, wifi, electrics etc?

I think the fact VW tried to tackle this issue is exactly why!

Trying to make all these systems talk to each other will be hugely complex and no wonder it fails at time, and no other motorhomes builders try to tackle it!

Do you love your VW control panel:
Is it working: Yes. Is it broken: No :D
 
I wouldn’t mind if they said it was guaranteed for the life if the vehicle. It gives me chills thinking about it going wrong after the warranty ends.
 
In the original version (2005 - 2019) it works flawlessly (apart from a broken rotary knob or fading display). But that is repairable.
The newest touch screen version? I don't know, but if it will act like a smartphone, good luck with it after a few years and so many updates later.
I hope I am wrong...
 
In the original version (2005 - 2019) it works flawlessly (apart from a broken rotary knob or fading display). But that is repairable.
The newest touch screen version? I don't know, but if it will act like a smartphone, good luck with it after a few years and so many updates later.
I hope I am wrong...
I haven't seen an earlier version, I assume just for the Transporter vans?

How many systems did that panel talk to though?
 
Fresh water indicator, grey water indicator, roof, heater, fridge, batteries, and that is about it.

It isn't really talking to any of the systems. It's just a kind of controller/guard.

The newer displays (T6.1 and GC) control all that plus lights, level indicator, ...

It's more like a domotica system now.
In a camper(van) you don't really need that (I don't anyways), because if that display fails, its very hard to stay camping (no roof operation on the T's, no fridge control, heater control).
In fact it would be better to have each system controlled by it's own controller. If one fails, you still are able to control the others.

For heating you can start your engine, or have an electrical heater.
Fridge is a bit harder. If it won't shut down, you can install a switch to shut it off.
Roof is a disaster...
Fresh and grey water? Just check it yourself.

But it's all in the name of progression?
 
Good afternoon,

I agree, I think that it would have been better if VW would have decided that several different control panels or displays are better.

As far as I understood the Camper Unit is just the display of the "Customer-Specific Functional Control Unit" which I believe is somewhere under the dashboard (passenger side). It seems it is a highly complex piece of electronic with a complicated software which I think was developed by Mercedes. It seems it try's to combine several different services from different areas of the camper.

I looks like that many of the camper related issue of the Grand California is related to issues with the software of this device. VW urgently needs to get its act together and get it sorted. But I don't believe we will ever experience a software version that sorts out all the issues.

Even though they tried their best to combine functionality of various services, some functions are missing. What springs in mind is the very useful option to program the time when the heater should come on.
For instance, if I want to have warm water in the morning, why should I leave the heater on the entire night? If I want to get up at 8 am, why can i set the Truma heater to come on a 7 pm to have warm water at 8?
Now in our Grand Californias it is still possible to do that, but we have to bent down to open the flap at the bottom of the floor to do this on the Truma Control Panel. I still believe the VW software designer still laughing about us users spending a small fortune for the camper and they brought us to our knees to do this. What the heck?...... :headbang

I believe it is very useful to have information about levels of the freshwater, grey water, switching on the heater etc. But it is a joke the information provided about the level of charging of the solar panel or the level of the leisure battery. Especially if they have a only a meagre 92 Ah AGM leisure battery. I wouldn't mind about the battery too much if it would be easy to replace it, but it is not (but this is not the topic of this post).

I don't know if other camper vans or motorhomes from other manufacturers have similar issues? Maybe I follow some other forums like from Hymer, Dethleffs, Adria, La Strata etc.

Kind regards,
Eberhard
 
I don't know if other camper vans or motorhomes from other manufacturers have similar issues? Maybe I follow some other forums like from Hymer, Dethleffs, Adria, La Strata etc.

Kind regards,
Eberhard

I can only speak from my experience of a RollerTeam Motorhome.

On one combined control panel you had:
Water - 4 LEDs to indicate how full & a switch to choose to display between fresh & waste water.
Leisure Battery - same 4 LED display.
Electrics - Simple on off switch for all camping electrics.

Lights were individually switched on the fitting.
Hot water & heating had the truma display thats hidden under the GC bench.

The main panel was a complete pain, even if switched off, if any LED display would have shown red the panel beeped every 60 seconds or so. We had a particularly annoying journey in the snow back from Wales whereby the fresh water had dumped automatically due to the cold & the Beep sounded every 60 seconds for the whole 6 hour drive home.

I think as the GC ages, either the panel problems will be sorted or enterprising users will have worked out how to disconnect the systems & operate them individually via traditional switches.
 
I would also add - try googling "motorhome control panel problems" you will find thousands of users of other motorhomes with dodgy panels.

The VW one doesn't appear to be any better or worse than others, but has the advantage of a number forum like this one where at least owners can support each other.
 
I would also add - try googling "motorhome control panel problems" you will find thousands of users of other motorhomes with dodgy panels.

The VW one doesn't appear to be any better or worse than others, but has the advantage of a number forum like this one where at least owners can support each other.
when is camper 10 year old and is Vw not support old software, Is hope can be alternative solution control what is this panel or is time take camper recycle center!
 
Fresh water indicator, grey water indicator, roof, heater, fridge, batteries, and that is about it.

It isn't really talking to any of the systems. It's just a kind of controller/guard.

The newer displays (T6.1 and GC) control all that plus lights, level indicator, ...

It's more like a domotica system now.
In a camper(van) you don't really need that (I don't anyways), because if that display fails, its very hard to stay camping (no roof operation on the T's, no fridge control, heater control).
In fact it would be better to have each system controlled by it's own controller. If one fails, you still are able to control the others.

For heating you can start your engine, or have an electrical heater.
Fridge is a bit harder. If it won't shut down, you can install a switch to shut it off.
Roof is a disaster...
Fresh and grey water? Just check it yourself.

But it's all in the name of progression?
You forgot battery monitoring…….
 
Good morning,

As mentioned there are a some types of information rather helpful to plan a camping trip, especially if one plans to stay "off grid" for a while at the same place. For instance:

Fresh water
without a display I think it is rather hard to figure out how much water is left
Grey water
here the same. Without a gauge I wouldn't know how to check the level of the grey water tank
Battery capacity
How much electricity is left and how much is used (at the moment). Well, obviously necessary to know to plan the stay
Charge from solar panel (if applicable)
To see how efficient the solar panel is. Maybe a change of place might improve the charge. This is also important for planning
Heating
Well, obviously heating needs to be switched on and off, but I think a timer is really useful
External lights
Control the outside lights. Maybe one is at a place that we don't want to get the outside light on automictically
Gas level (if applicable)
How much gas is left. I don't believe that cooking is a huge drain of gas, but heating and warm water is. Important for planning.
LTE reception
Mostly separate, but can be important for planning (and during bad weather for entertainment)

I am sure there is much more (satellite etc.).

It feels to me that some of the above mentioned information is not available or not reliable in the Grand California. The most annoying part is, that some of the information is not reliable.

For our Scandinavia trip in June I believe it won't affect us too much. It will be a road trip with traveling almost every day. Most overnights parking will be off-grid and only the odd time visiting a campsite (washing machine etc.). So the meager capacity of electricity won't affect us (so I hope), I hope fresh water and environmental friendly disposal of the black and grey water will be available on some bigger car parks (if not we have to use more campsites). The battery will be recharged while driving (up to 80% and if we are lucky and the sun is shining even with 100%).

But, and please correct me if I am wrong, if I want to use the Grand California for "wild camping" over days on the same place without EHU the Grand California might not be the best camper to do that - especially, as it seems to me, it is rather complicated and therefor expensive to get the camper supplies upgraded.

Regards,
Eberhard
 
Good morning,

As mentioned there are a some types of information rather helpful to plan a camping trip, especially if one plans to stay "off grid" for a while at the same place. For instance:

Fresh water
without a display I think it is rather hard to figure out how much water is left
Grey water
here the same. Without a gauge I wouldn't know how to check the level of the grey water tank
Battery capacity
How much electricity is left and how much is used (at the moment). Well, obviously necessary to know to plan the stay
Charge from solar panel (if applicable)
To see how efficient the solar panel is. Maybe a change of place might improve the charge. This is also important for planning
Heating
Well, obviously heating needs to be switched on and off, but I think a timer is really useful
External lights
Control the outside lights. Maybe one is at a place that we don't want to get the outside light on automictically
Gas level (if applicable)
How much gas is left. I don't believe that cooking is a huge drain of gas, but heating and warm water is. Important for planning.
LTE reception
Mostly separate, but can be important for planning (and during bad weather for entertainment)

I am sure there is much more (satellite etc.).

It feels to me that some of the above mentioned information is not available or not reliable in the Grand California. The most annoying part is, that some of the information is not reliable.

For our Scandinavia trip in June I believe it won't affect us too much. It will be a road trip with traveling almost every day. Most overnights parking will be off-grid and only the odd time visiting a campsite (washing machine etc.). So the meager capacity of electricity won't affect us (so I hope), I hope fresh water and environmental friendly disposal of the black and grey water will be available on some bigger car parks (if not we have to use more campsites). The battery will be recharged while driving (up to 80% and if we are lucky and the sun is shining even with 100%).

But, and please correct me if I am wrong, if I want to use the Grand California for "wild camping" over days on the same place without EHU the Grand California might not be the best camper to do that - especially, as it seems to me, it is rather complicated and therefor expensive to get the camper supplies upgraded.

Regards,
Eberhard
No camper or motorhome will have the 240v sockets live whilst wild camping, unless you install an inverter, B2B and charger isolation of some sort, at least, and preferably a decent lithium battery system.

I just carry a Jackery now as in my 600 it looks overly complicated to convert the existing system (which I have done previously in other motorhomes) which suits us just fine. Obviously you can plug the Jackery into your van as if it's a normal electrical outlet, but just be aware your van will immediately start charging your two onboard batteries too rather than just make your 240v sockets live.

OOI, has anyone looked at if it's possible to turn the onboard charger off? I'm guessing it's the box under the passenger seat, without looking into this properly yet.

If the control panel is working correctly, the numbers it shows for items should all be taken with a pinch of salt. Not VW's fault btw!

Battery - showing percentage full is literally impossible, as it simply is looking how many volts it has, therefore whilst charging it will show as 100% full as it will be above 13v. So these readings only ever work whilst the battery is not charging and even then isn't showing you how many amps the battery has, it is simply showing you how many volts it is reading at. The two are not the same.

Water tanks, most suppliers only do this in 25% gradients for very good reason. Firstly the gauge would need to run the entire height of the tank and literally only have a 1% tolerance, and secondly your van would need to be completely on the flat to get a 1% tolerance reading.

Gas level - Never seen a van that does this by default. I use the bluetooth Mopka system for ease.

In a separate post I have shown how you can add a bluetooth module to the solar mppt so you can reliably read the solar output.
 
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Good afternoon,

Well, I must admit I am a little bit "harsher" with Volkswagen, because I believe (and expect) they could (and should have done) better.

Well, I never expected (and hopefully did not give the indication) that the camper should have 240V sockets workable while "off the grid". For this we have the charger which starts to work as soon as the camper is on EHU (as well as charger the 1x leisure and 1x camper battery).
I am not so sure about a converter. Of course it is possible to install one, but I believe this should not (or cannot) be done on a "standard" Grand California. If done, the 92 Ah AGM battery will be empty in minutes. That means 1.) different battery (s) have to be installed, 2.) new booster while driving and 3.) increased charger when the camper is on EHU to keep the time short(er) when charging.

If the Camper Unit is working correctly ... that is my point. How often "freezes" those numbers or gone of the scale altogether.

I admit I am not a specialist (far away from it) but the level of the battery should be kind of correct (of course not 100%, but better as it is). It looks to me that it is not possible with the technical specification VW has chosen. With a LiFePO4 battery for example this information is possible to get. What I don't know are there different battery technologies between AGM and LiFePO4. That VW was reluctant to install a LiFePO4 as standard is understandable, but maybe there is something else they could have done to offer a bit more capacity and information. In my mind the standard battery capacity should be about 3 - 4 days. That is the time after the toilet cassette has to be changed anyway. Just saying.

Water levels display on the Camper Unit is actually not that bad - if it works.

So many camper vans / motorhomes are provided with standard propane gas. I have not really thought about this before we got our GC 600. The gas heating is not bad, no issues here. But to keep an eye on the remaining gas level and changing the bottles is a hassle. Well, if somebody uses the camper for 4x weeks in Spain, no problem. 2x 11 kg bottles are more than sufficient. But if you use the camper year round it becomes an extra issue.
Some camper vans from UK come as standard with and underfloor LPG tank, which has a gas level gauge (mainly on the dashboard). I have no idea why this is not done more often.
I have the Mopeka system as well. But I don't like it. The two Mopeka sensors are working, but only on one bottle. The other it constantly comes up with 0 %. I did a lot of troubleshooting but nothing helps. Beginning of March I get an LPG system installed. That come with a gauge on the bottles to see how much is left. At least something.

I got the Votronic Bluetooth Connector B-SC as well. It is so easy and straightforward to install, because it just need one cable which powers the device itself. Now I get some information about the solar panel. But this is my point, to get this I had to spend EUR 100. Why was this service not added from VW to begin with?
The same is the issue with the timer of the heating / warm water. That really annoys me. The service is there, but not on the Camper Unit. So, if they can't combine all services into one unit than don't do it. Now it is possible to get another box from Truma to have access to the truma settings. But that cost another EUR 140 or so, plus installation is a wee bit more complicated because that device needs 12V. And on top of it VW dealers are not willing to install it, because it is not standard.

I know I give out a lot of the Grand California, but I still like the camper (and in my opinion we have no real other alternative in Ireland anyway). I am only a bit disappointed that Volkswagen missed the opportunity to build a great camper van. With a bit of changes it would have become easily one of the best (and maybe the best) camper vans on the European market. But either VW designer, management or VW accountants ensured that this didn't happen.

Happy, but critical, Grand California
Eberhard
 
Good afternoon,

Well, I must admit I am a little bit "harsher" with Volkswagen, because I believe (and expect) they could (and should have done) better.

Well, I never expected (and hopefully did not give the indication) that the camper should have 240V sockets workable while "off the grid". For this we have the charger which starts to work as soon as the camper is on EHU (as well as charger the 1x leisure and 1x camper battery).
I am not so sure about a converter. Of course it is possible to install one, but I believe this should not (or cannot) be done on a "standard" Grand California. If done, the 92 Ah AGM battery will be empty in minutes. That means 1.) different battery (s) have to be installed, 2.) new booster while driving and 3.) increased charger when the camper is on EHU to keep the time short(er) when charging.

If the Camper Unit is working correctly ... that is my point. How often "freezes" those numbers or gone of the scale altogether.

I admit I am not a specialist (far away from it) but the level of the battery should be kind of correct (of course not 100%, but better as it is). It looks to me that it is not possible with the technical specification VW has chosen. With a LiFePO4 battery for example this information is possible to get. What I don't know are there different battery technologies between AGM and LiFePO4. That VW was reluctant to install a LiFePO4 as standard is understandable, but maybe there is something else they could have done to offer a bit more capacity and information. In my mind the standard battery capacity should be about 3 - 4 days. That is the time after the toilet cassette has to be changed anyway. Just saying.

Water levels display on the Camper Unit is actually not that bad - if it works.

So many camper vans / motorhomes are provided with standard propane gas. I have not really thought about this before we got our GC 600. The gas heating is not bad, no issues here. But to keep an eye on the remaining gas level and changing the bottles is a hassle. Well, if somebody uses the camper for 4x weeks in Spain, no problem. 2x 11 kg bottles are more than sufficient. But if you use the camper year round it becomes an extra issue.
Some camper vans from UK come as standard with and underfloor LPG tank, which has a gas level gauge (mainly on the dashboard). I have no idea why this is not done more often.
I have the Mopeka system as well. But I don't like it. The two Mopeka sensors are working, but only on one bottle. The other it constantly comes up with 0 %. I did a lot of troubleshooting but nothing helps. Beginning of March I get an LPG system installed. That come with a gauge on the bottles to see how much is left. At least something.

I got the Votronic Bluetooth Connector B-SC as well. It is so easy and straightforward to install, because it just need one cable which powers the device itself. Now I get some information about the solar panel. But this is my point, to get this I had to spend EUR 100. Why was this service not added from VW to begin with?
The same is the issue with the timer of the heating / warm water. That really annoys me. The service is there, but not on the Camper Unit. So, if they can't combine all services into one unit than don't do it. Now it is possible to get another box from Truma to have access to the truma settings. But that cost another EUR 140 or so, plus installation is a wee bit more complicated because that device needs 12V. And on top of it VW dealers are not willing to install it, because it is not standard.

I know I give out a lot of the Grand California, but I still like the camper (and in my opinion we have no real other alternative in Ireland anyway). I am only a bit disappointed that Volkswagen missed the opportunity to build a great camper van. With a bit of changes it would have become easily one of the best (and maybe the best) camper vans on the European market. But either VW designer, management or VW accountants ensured that this didn't happen.

Happy, but critical, Grand California
Eberhard
I am think is very clever design by Vw make intenions.

Making version 1 Gc is ok but is nothing special.
Is many such opportunities where is can be better.

And so when is pass 4 years? - such time arrive is Vw make GC mk II, having many such new and better facility you are telling!. And is can Vw make higher price to new model!.

Is super business way for Vw bank account and sale spreadsheet!
Is new model makes interesting something to see at Salon and other exhibition - new camper from Vw always make exciting news!.
 
Good afternoon,

Well, I must admit I am a little bit "harsher" with Volkswagen, because I believe (and expect) they could (and should have done) better.

Well, I never expected (and hopefully did not give the indication) that the camper should have 240V sockets workable while "off the grid". For this we have the charger which starts to work as soon as the camper is on EHU (as well as charger the 1x leisure and 1x camper battery).
I am not so sure about a converter. Of course it is possible to install one, but I believe this should not (or cannot) be done on a "standard" Grand California. If done, the 92 Ah AGM battery will be empty in minutes. That means 1.) different battery (s) have to be installed, 2.) new booster while driving and 3.) increased charger when the camper is on EHU to keep the time short(er) when charging.

If the Camper Unit is working correctly ... that is my point. How often "freezes" those numbers or gone of the scale altogether.

I admit I am not a specialist (far away from it) but the level of the battery should be kind of correct (of course not 100%, but better as it is). It looks to me that it is not possible with the technical specification VW has chosen. With a LiFePO4 battery for example this information is possible to get. What I don't know are there different battery technologies between AGM and LiFePO4. That VW was reluctant to install a LiFePO4 as standard is understandable, but maybe there is something else they could have done to offer a bit more capacity and information. In my mind the standard battery capacity should be about 3 - 4 days. That is the time after the toilet cassette has to be changed anyway. Just saying.

Water levels display on the Camper Unit is actually not that bad - if it works.

So many camper vans / motorhomes are provided with standard propane gas. I have not really thought about this before we got our GC 600. The gas heating is not bad, no issues here. But to keep an eye on the remaining gas level and changing the bottles is a hassle. Well, if somebody uses the camper for 4x weeks in Spain, no problem. 2x 11 kg bottles are more than sufficient. But if you use the camper year round it becomes an extra issue.
Some camper vans from UK come as standard with and underfloor LPG tank, which has a gas level gauge (mainly on the dashboard). I have no idea why this is not done more often.
I have the Mopeka system as well. But I don't like it. The two Mopeka sensors are working, but only on one bottle. The other it constantly comes up with 0 %. I did a lot of troubleshooting but nothing helps. Beginning of March I get an LPG system installed. That come with a gauge on the bottles to see how much is left. At least something.

I got the Votronic Bluetooth Connector B-SC as well. It is so easy and straightforward to install, because it just need one cable which powers the device itself. Now I get some information about the solar panel. But this is my point, to get this I had to spend EUR 100. Why was this service not added from VW to begin with?
The same is the issue with the timer of the heating / warm water. That really annoys me. The service is there, but not on the Camper Unit. So, if they can't combine all services into one unit than don't do it. Now it is possible to get another box from Truma to have access to the truma settings. But that cost another EUR 140 or so, plus installation is a wee bit more complicated because that device needs 12V. And on top of it VW dealers are not willing to install it, because it is not standard.

I know I give out a lot of the Grand California, but I still like the camper (and in my opinion we have no real other alternative in Ireland anyway). I am only a bit disappointed that Volkswagen missed the opportunity to build a great camper van. With a bit of changes it would have become easily one of the best (and maybe the best) camper vans on the European market. But either VW designer, management or VW accountants ensured that this didn't happen.

Happy, but critical, Grand California
Eberhard
OOI how many motorhomes have you owned? It sounds like if you've owned one previously it must have been seriously high spec as lots of the things you raise I've not seen on any other campers.

This is my fourth and you can find faults with every one of them.

"The battery should last 4 days off grid" - That's an anomaly as it depends on what you're using. With no inverter it should last easily that long. 95ah/2 for possible usage = 47.5ah to use without starting the engine.

Whats a convertor? Did you mean invertor? The battery will empty in minutes using one? Again depends on what you're plugging in. A hairdryer at 1kw will use 1000/12 = 83 amps per hour so the battery would last 35 minutes, but it's clearly not intended for this.

I don't know of any standard motorhome builds aside from custom builds that come with a system that has a decent battery array and an invertor that could cope with this.

You state you don't know if the technology is different between LIfepo4 and AGM. I think frankly that says it all and possibly why you can't understand why this van isn't all-singing all-dancing.
The two technologies are vastly different and actually you're incorrect when you say Lifepo4 can accurately give you it's percent readout. It can try, but it still isn't a true ah percentage reading.
Manufacturers will claim the earth about Lifepo4 but the main advantages of it are weight and operation range, i.e. you can drain a Lifepo4 battery a maximum of 90% not 50% like lead/acid.
However they deal with the cold far worse than AGM so you'd need the battery to have an internal heating element as well as the BMS it needs to talk to the van. It's not as straight forward as just replacing lead/acid with lithium. Plus of course a 100ah Lifepo4 battery with BMS and heating is about £1,000

I haven't seen a 6m van with an underslung tank from a manufacturer, only the large motorhomes where there is space or a custom build. Never seen one on a smaller van.

Yes changing gas bottles is a pain, thats why most of us install a Gaslow system or something similar. Far easier and cheaper in the long run.

I'm intrigued why you need to know whats coming from your solar? I have the unit as I love gadgets but don't really think its necessary, all thats necessary is to know how well your battery is charged? Most vans do not come with solar as standard or even have a manufacturer option almost all solar is fitted third party.

Access to the timer, can't you pop the door open under your bench seat to access it? Why do you need to install something separate for it? Yes VW could have added it to the control panel, but it's yet another thing to program that most customers wont use. Theres always a trade off between a working system and tons of separate items that can go wrong.
 
I am think is very clever design by Vw make intenions.

Making version 1 Gc is ok but is nothing special.
Is many such opportunities where is can be better.

And so when is pass 4 years? - such time arrive is Vw make GC mk II, having many such new and better facility you are telling!. And is can Vw make higher price to new model!.

Is super business way for Vw bank account and sale spreadsheet!
Is new model makes interesting something to see at Salon and other exhibition - new camper from Vw always make exciting news!.
From my experience now on my 4th motorhome. 2 coach-built and one van, plus this one.

It seems to me as this is VW's first attempt a proper motorhome/camper they have done a great job in certain areas and a poor one in others.

The poor job to me it seems is they probably didn't go and get a coach-builders advice before they built it.

Stupid usability mistakes like running the cabling through the cupboards right in the middle rather than at the top or bottom, or better still behind the velour that's above the cupboards as there's actually lots of room behind it!

Naivety in the control panel, but I love their optimism and love the fact I haven't got 4 different control panels of different shapes and sizes to operate!

And don;'t get me started on the two battery locations!
 
Good evening,

Well, what should I say? There are a lot of different camper vans, motorhomes and caravans on the market, with models changing rather often. To some extend every single one has some design issues or faults. That includes the Grand California as well.

As I tried to say the Grand California has its advantages, especially the Crafter works very well. It is a joy to drive. Also the support from one manufacturer is also a huge advantage. Especially my VW dealer was (and is) very good.

But equally there are some quality and design issues with the Grand California. I said it to my VW dealer last year when we spoke about giving the camper back because of bad quality, that I just deny to believe that Volkswagen is not able to build a good camper.

So we decided to keep it. And issues are still not all sorted. So I got my fair share of technical problems with the Grand California.

I still say that it is not the best solution not to be able to use the timer for the heating on the Camper Unit. In order to do that one has to go on it's knees to open the little door to set the timer. Come on Volkswagen! Some might never use the timer, some are not bothered about it, I am very bothered and annoyed about this.

I also believe it is from advantage to get some indication how much the solar panel charges the battery - or not at all. Maybe I need to change the way I parked the car and if there is no charge I need to connect it to EHU (letting the engine run is not option) if possible.

Of course it depends what is used hairdryer, coffee machine, toaster etc. an inverter will use the electricity of the usable 46 Ah in a short period of time, hence an upgrade is nesseary. Also it is clear that AGM batteries and LIfepo4 have their pros and cons. I asked myself the question are there other battery technologies available placed between the two previous mentioned.

I never had gas heating before (only diesel heater), but I saw that gauges that show the level of gas placed on the dashboard is possible and seems not to be too dificult.

We decided to keep the Grand California beside all those issues we had during summer 2021, because there are many advantages and in the last 6 month we gathered a lot of experience. We decided to implement some changes for instance LPG, get LTE aerial and a few others to improve things we need, or things we don't like (but I guess that happens with all the camper vans).

Regards,
Eberhard
 
Eberhard
Drink beer not coffee, bacon and eggs instead of toast. Buy the wife a hat. That’s 99% of your problems sorted.
 
Good evening,

Well, what should I say? There are a lot of different camper vans, motorhomes and caravans on the market, with models changing rather often. To some extend every single one has some design issues or faults. That includes the Grand California as well.

As I tried to say the Grand California has its advantages, especially the Crafter works very well. It is a joy to drive. Also the support from one manufacturer is also a huge advantage. Especially my VW dealer was (and is) very good.

But equally there are some quality and design issues with the Grand California. I said it to my VW dealer last year when we spoke about giving the camper back because of bad quality, that I just deny to believe that Volkswagen is not able to build a good camper.

So we decided to keep it. And issues are still not all sorted. So I got my fair share of technical problems with the Grand California.

I still say that it is not the best solution not to be able to use the timer for the heating on the Camper Unit. In order to do that one has to go on it's knees to open the little door to set the timer. Come on Volkswagen! Some might never use the timer, some are not bothered about it, I am very bothered and annoyed about this.

I also believe it is from advantage to get some indication how much the solar panel charges the battery - or not at all. Maybe I need to change the way I parked the car and if there is no charge I need to connect it to EHU (letting the engine run is not option) if possible.

Of course it depends what is used hairdryer, coffee machine, toaster etc. an inverter will use the electricity of the usable 46 Ah in a short period of time, hence an upgrade is nesseary. Also it is clear that AGM batteries and LIfepo4 have their pros and cons. I asked myself the question are there other battery technologies available placed between the two previous mentioned.

I never had gas heating before (only diesel heater), but I saw that gauges that show the level of gas placed on the dashboard is possible and seems not to be too dificult.

We decided to keep the Grand California beside all those issues we had during summer 2021, because there are many advantages and in the last 6 month we gathered a lot of experience. We decided to implement some changes for instance LPG, get LTE aerial and a few others to improve things we need, or things we don't like (but I guess that happens with all the camper vans).

Regards,
Eberhard
If your van is charging from solar, the control panel does show you the battery charging and what ampage . Try it.
 
In the UK we have a saying, if something's like Marmite. It means you loved it or hate it, no in-between.

Ever wondered why almost all motorhomes have separate control panels for heating, water, solar, inverter, wifi, electrics etc?

I think the fact VW tried to tackle this issue is exactly why!

Trying to make all these systems talk to each other will be hugely complex and no wonder it fails at time, and no other motorhomes builders try to tackle it!

Do you love your VW control panel:
Is it working: Yes. Is it broken: No :D
I’m just about to have mine replaced - £1k - I hate it.
 
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